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Dave Smith/Tom Martin 1/4 Scale Hall Cherokee Build
Really glad you are using the elevator horn method as drawn on the plans. People tend to shy away from it because it is viewed as difficult or sloppy in service, but if you spend a bit of time getting the slot in the sliding square tube right, you will be rewarded with a nicely functioning setup. The trick is to get the top hole just the size of the horn width, and the bottom hole slightly bigger to allow the horn to angle forward or backwards as the elevator is moved. Start with the top and bottom holes just big enough to let the horn pass through, then elongate the bottom hole to allow movement. You may have to bevel the top hole ever so slightly to allow the horn to "swing", but not much. It's not complicated; just needs a bit pf patience, and you will be rewarded with a slop-free quick-mount elevator with no need to access clevises with attendant access holes in the fuselage.
I assume it's coming, but the front part of the stab middle section gets filled with a block of balsa (grain vertical) to house the front mounting screw.
Hello Dave, thanks for checking in on me. I understand the deal with the mechanism. The top hole is all that is critical. Yes the filler for the stab is what the oops was for. I meant to do that before the update.
I'm out of town this weekend so no progress to be made but I though I'd share one little detail that Dave Smith brought to my attention. The tail has squared off tips. It's an easy fix but I hadn't noticed it. Thanks Dave!!!
This is the top of the inner tube which the control horn fits into. The size of this hole is very critical. It needs to be a perfect slop free fit when the elevator is at neutral.
This is the bottom of the inner tube. Nothing critical here, the hole just needs to be large enough not to interfere with the control horn.
This is the control horn. The tang is tapered to allow full throw of the elevator with no slop throughout the movement.
Here the stab and elevator are mounted and the control horn is through the inner connecting tube. You should have a slop free fit at this point.
Here the elevator is deflected full up. The control horn has to be tapered very carefully to allow this movement without any slop.
Here it is deflected full down. It takes a lot of trial and error fitting to achieve this movement without any slop.
I mashed the end of the inner tube and drilled it to fit a 4-40 clevis. Then I soldered the clevis to a piece of all-thread and screwed it to the Sullivan control rod.
That's it for now. I guess I'll go ahead and do the elevator and rudder servos next.
I was explaining the procedure for getting this mechanism to work properly to my son who is a machinist and mechanical whiz. The first thing he said was "you should have just used a fork and pin". In other words the control horn would be forked with an exact sized slot and a pin would be fitted in the slider to engage the fork. I didn't try it but I think it would work great and not require all the trial and error fitting.
Before you cover the plane, just put a puff of lock graphite in the sliding tubes (or fine sandpaper a bit of pencil lead), and it will keep it slippery for an eon.
Not much today but I did get all the gussets done. I would recommend doing the gussets before the stringers and doing the stingers after all the interior work is done.
All right the elevator and rudder servos are next.
The rudder and elevator servos and the control linkages are done.
I mounted the servos per the plans with the elevator upright and the rudder inverted. I made the servo tray removable so they can be accessed by removing two screws and sliding the tray out.
Mounted the control rod sleeve using plywood standoffs and Gorilla glue.
Added balsa filler to mount the rudder control horn.
I made the control horn out of some scrap aluminum.
This is the rudder servo looking from the bottom. I used crossing pull-pull cables in order to get a clear shot through the fuselage sides.
The control horn is mounted through a slot cut in the balsa filler. Does anyone know what the control throws are supposed to be? I want to make sure I have enough bevel on the rudder.
That's all for now. I'll start working on the bottom next.
You can't have too much rudder. 45 degrees would be the right target, but not the end of the world if you fall slightly short. The Cherokee is pretty forgiving; if you have the ailerons set up right there is very little adverse yaw. The 1/3 Cherokee flies pretty well on just ailerons or just rudder :-)
Thanks Dion! I would have done it that way regardless but in my case it was really the only way. With the canopy mods there is no access to the top of the tray.
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