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    I am about to make up some tow lines for my new electric tow plane design, the Pulldog. This tow plane will be used to tow sailplanes up to around 18 lbs. I will be using yellow braided nylon #18 Mason's line for the main portion of the tow line. From everything I have found on the web, this line is 135 to 170 lb test. Before I make up several tow lines, I have a few comments/questions.

    1) The whole subject of weak links puzzles me greatly. All the weak links I have seen used are in my opinion far too strong to serve as an actual weak link. I have yet to see a sailplane in trouble on tow break a weak link. It would seem the only benefit is the smaller diameter line size at the sailplane end which allows easier hook-up to the tow release.

    2) Sometimes I have seen a weak link used on the tow plane end. I fail to understand why one would go to the trouble of using a tow line that is 150 to 250 (or more in some cases) lb test and then attach it with a line that is perhaps 70 lb test. With this set-up, to me, the tow line is only actually good for 70 lb. maximum. The only benefit I can see is protecting the tow plane in the event the tow line snags a fence, bush, or other ground based object on final approach. In this case the weak link might break and save the tow plane. But again, we really have only a 70 lb test tow line using a weak link at the tow plane.

    3) At the sailplane end I can see the benefit of a weak link, assuming it is actually weak enough, to save a glider if the tow gets way out of shape and the glider and the tow plane can't release for some reason. But again, I've never actually seen a glider break a weak link on tow. Also, the weak link would need to be sized appropriately for each particular sailplane, and from what I have seen at aerotow events, the sailplane weak link tends to be a "one size fits all" approach.

    4) Flags on the tow line. I have seen flags, ribbons, and streamers of various sizes used on tow lines. My observation has been that regardless of their original shape, they tend to get long and thin in the airflow, and thus not as visible as hoped. All of these various flags can be seen at lower altitudes, but I must admit I can't see them at release altitude, where it would be nice to know positively that the tow line has released from the sailplane. Also, in some cases, usually with smaller/lighter sailplanes, these flags tend to cause a fair amount of sag in the tow line in front of the sailplane, generating a nose-down moment on the sailplane. It is my belief these flags are not needed for drag on the tow line after release, and considering the lack of visibility at release altitudes, I find myself wondering if a flag actually serves any useful purpose.

    So based upon all the above, I plan to make a tow line for my Pulldog that has the following features:

    1) No weak links. On the tow plane end I plan to use a 10' length of the Mason's line, attached to the 90' main portion of the tow line with a swivel, and just put a loop in the front end that attaches to the release pin on the tow plane. This will allow me to change out the 10' section due to expected wear and tear. On the sailplane end I will have the usual swivel and snap assembly so the pilot can attach my tow line to his weak link. The sailplane pilot can use whatever weak link he feels is best for his sailplane.

    2) I will have just one yellow ping pong ball on the towline, immediately ahead of the snap swivel assembly. The purpose of this is to make the end of the tow line easy to find on the ground.

    So in summary, my tow line will be made entirely of yellow #18 Mason's Line, with a separate 10' section at the tow plane attached with a swivel, and merely a loop at the front to attach to the tow plane release pin. There will be another 90' of Mason's line going straight to the snap swivel assembly, with a yellow ping pong ball placed onto the line immediately ahead of the snap swivel assembly.

    Comments, please. Am I all wet here?
    HD



  • #2
    Al,

    The use of a weak link on the towplane end is twofold, one reason is so that if you snag the tow rope on a landing approach the weak link breaks before the tow line stops the tug in mid-air. The second reason is for wear. My tow ropes have a loop tied in the end that I insert a weak link loop, when the wink link loop starts to wear, I just replace the loop. I too have wondered about the overkill "test" rating of some tow ropes people use. I have always used weak links that match my gliders weight...at least I try I have been flying with a 70lb. weak link on the towplane end of all my towropes since the 1990's and have never had one break.

    Pete

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    • #3
      Al, your plan seems reasonable. The 10' section attached to a 90' section with a swivel seems unnecessary to me. In my experience, the sailplane end of the line is what gets the most wear and tear so I would just go with a one piece line. The other thing is the length. Depending on what you are towing, a slightly shorter line may make sense. Here is a link to a thread we posted a while back.

      It depends on the size and weight of your sailplane...but even less than ideal lengths can be made to work (so don't get overly stressed about this). We have
      A Site for Soar Eyes

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      • Xroadie
        Xroadie commented
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        I agree Jim....I see no reason for two swivels...I would just go for a one piece line with a loop tied on the tug end.

    • #4
      Jim and Pete,

      Thanks for the input. Simpler is better so I will go with just one length of line with the snap swivel and ping pong ball on the end. I plan on towing 1/4 scale and small 1/3 scale gliders up to maybe 18 lbs, although many will be in the 8 - 15 lb range. Perhaps 100' is too long. How about 75 - 80' ?

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      • JimD
        JimD commented
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        Al, using the #18 braided line with the weight and size models you describe, about 85-90' seems good to me.

    • #5
      Hi Al,
      Excited to hear you're getting ready to do some towing!
      I'm looking forward to hearing how you're setup works. Sounds like a reasonable attempt.

      My experience over the last 7 years of towing has changed as we learned more and practiced more.
      The tow line thickness is a tricky one.
      I've had mason tow lines break at least a dozen times over the years. Mostly with larger ships, ( makes sense) Its to the point where I will not tow behind a tug with a Mason tow line. Its too risky for larger ships. ( over 20lbs )
      Lately we've been using Paracord. Its bright in color and strong, wear resistant and fairly cost effective. I ordered some 4mm by mistake. Its too thick for a normal towing situation, but we've been using it anyway and loving it. You can see the line all the way up and it even visible when the glider releases.

      As for weak links, That's the glider loop. I do use one at the tug end, but mainly because the line it too thick for the release.

      Ping pong idea seems interesting.. I've tried ribbon, strapping, flags, surveyors tape, and even a shuttlecock.

      Good luck, keep us posted

      LEN
      Len Buffinton
      Team Horizon Hobby

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      • #6
        Len,

        Thanks for the input. I value your experience for sure. I will keep you posted on how it all works out once I get the Pulldog flying. Where do you get your Paracord?

        HD

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        • #7
          Why that would be Paracord Galaxy.....http://paracordgalaxy.com/index.php?...id=5&chapter=0
          Len Buffinton
          Team Horizon Hobby

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          • kd4jaz
            kd4jaz commented
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            I use the Paracord 275. comes pre-cut in 100' lengths. Neon colors and free shipping!

        • #8
          Per Len's note above, you do not want 550 Paracord, rather 275. The 550 is too large for releases.

          I've always gotten great service from Paracord Planet. Just a planet, not a whole galaxy. ;-) Looks like Galaxy has some good prices!

          http://www.paracordplanet.com/paracord/275-paracord/
          Team PowerBox Systems Americas... If flying were the language of men, soaring would be its poetry.

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          • #9
            Al,
            Sounds good for the intended purpose. Looking forward to seeing the 'dog. While there is plenty of opinions regarding visibility aids on the towline I have determined through many years that I much prefer towing and being towed with one. YMMV with the smaller and lighter planes you anticipate towing.

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            • #10
              Originally posted by Al Clark View Post
              Len,

              Thanks for the input. I value your experience for sure. I will keep you posted on how it all works out once I get the Pulldog flying. Where do you get your Paracord?

              HD
              Our local Home Depot sells paracord by the foot of the roll!

              Jeremy and Ben
              SCCAAA TT TN

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              • #11
                We used to use plainer board line for tow rope, it was in the 150lb-200lb test range. We switched to larger diameter rope, like paracord, not because we needed extra strength, but to keep the thinner line from getting caught in rudder or elevator gaps and because we could see the thicker line from farther away. We always tied a loop on the tow plane end and then slipped a second loop through that. We always used a weak link loop on the tug end, obviously for use as a weak link but also as a way to keep from putting wear on the end of the rope as well as making it easier to insert into tow releases. When and if the loop started to wear you can quickly swap another loop on the end rather than cutting the end of the tow rope off and tying in a new loop. It takes only a few seconds to add another loop without actually tying anything.
                Last edited by Xroadie; 12-25-2015, 04:02 PM.

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                • #12
                  Great input guys! Pete, good point about thinner line getting caught in the hinge line gaps - never thought about that. Will have to ponder this a bit more. Merry Christmas guys!

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                  • #13
                    OK, Folks, I am making up some tow lines for my Pulldog tow plane. I have attached a yellow-orange ping pong ball to the line just ahead of the snap swivel at the glider end - this is just to add a small amount of drag to the end of the line, and to make spotting the glider end easier on the ground. I am debating whether to also use a flag/ribbon/streamer, or nothing at all as I originally planned to do. In looking at various towing videos, some pilots use a ribbon/streamer, some have a rather substantial flag sewn to the tow line, and others have nothing at all.

                    I am wondering just how visible a streamer or flag is at release altitude. On one tow plane I've flown, I don't recall being able to see the flag on its tow line at release - I could not see the actual release and didn't know for sure the glider was off until it turned away. But maybe that is just my old eyes. My experience with my DLG glider was that it gets very hard to see at 600 feet (based upon an on board altimeter log) - the wing chord is just too small - and I know I couldn't see it at 1200 feet. I don't think the streamers or flags I've seen are even as large as the DLG wing, so I wouldn't think they are visible at typical tow release altitudes which are 1200 - 1400 feet based upon my Sky Assistant vario.

                    Can some of you folks tell me if you can see a flag or streamer on a tow line at release altitude? I see no reason to add a flag/streamer if it can't be seen where it matters most - at release.

                    HD

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                    • #14
                      Ping Pong ball, No. Streamer, very difficult. Flag, Yes!

                      And I do love that positive feedback that my glider has released.

                      Dave Smith

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                      • #15
                        OK, guys, after a lot of pondering I ended up making two tow lines for lighter/samller gliders and two for heavier/larger gliders. On the light tow lines I used #18 yellow Mason's Line, and on the other two I used 275 lb Paracord. Mason's Line came form Home Depot and the Paracord came from Paracord Galaxy. PG had a special going and 100' of safety orange 275 lb Paracord was only $3 (The actual length of the Paracord line was a bit over 95'). My light tow lines are 85' long total length, and the heavy ones are 95' long total length.

                        I decided I wanted to use a flag after all, hoping I will be able to see when the tow line releases. I made my flags to Asher Carmichael's specs, using .75 oz red rip stop. These flags are 4' long and 11" deep, with a long taper on the bottom front half. After a lot of thinking about it I decided to break with tradition and position my flags close to the glider end of tow line. I might be proved wrong, but I did that for a couple reasons 1) When flags are mounted 10 - 20' ahead of the glider they tend to pull the tow line down so the line is at a downward angle in front of the glider, particularly on smaller/lighter gliders. 2) If the tow line should get a lot of slack in it, I would rather have the flag laying on the front of the fuselage than potentially over one of the wings or the stab.

                        I used a 130 lb snap swivel and one 130 lb swivel on the light tow line, and a 200 lb snap swivel and 200 lb swivel on the heavier tow line. I decided only one swivel is needed, just ahead of the flag, to allow any tow line twist to be accommodated, and to relieve any potential twist in the flag section. At the tow plane end I just made a loop in the tow line for attaching to the release mechanism. There is no drag device (badminton birdie or similar) at the glider end of the tow line - with the flag being close to the glider end none should be required. So these tow lines are fairly simple.

                        Tow line dimensions and sequence, from glider end:
                        Snap swivel; 5’ of towline (measured after knots are made) with 4' flag attached; swivel; 80/90’ of towline (after knots are made); loop in end of towline for attaching to tow plane.
                        Surgeon’s knot used for all knots
                        Total of 4 knots: one at snap swivel; two at swivel; one at tow plane end to form attach loop.

                        I wound the light tow lines onto 6" Halo kite reels, and the heavy tow lines onto 8" Halo kite reels for storage/transport (just like Asher!).

                        I'll find out how well these work when I get my Pulldog tow plane going in late March/early April.

                        HD

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